Foro RKKA - FORUM IMENI STALINA

Fabrica de Zastava en Kragujevac

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Vecindario de Dakovica destruido por la OTAN

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Refineria de petroleo en Novi Sad tras el ataque de la OTAN

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Restos del pueente que unia al condado de Ostruznica con Belgrado, sobre el Rio Sava

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Base Aerea de Podgoricatras ser bombardeada por la OTAN el 22 de abril

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Base Aerea de Pristina tras el bombardeo de la OTAN el 22 de abril

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Restos de un deposito del ejercito en Mitrovica

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Ministerio de Defensa yugoslavo tras el bombardeo, aun hoy permanece asi

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Edificio de Radio Television Serbia, durante su bombardeo murieron 16 tecnicos que se encontraban en el edificio

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Torre Usce minutos despues de ser bombardeada el 21 de abril

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Madrid, 29 dic (EFE).- La presidenta de la organización Madres de Srebrenica, Munira Subasic, ha pedido que testifique en el juicio por la matanza ocurrida en esa ciudad bosnia en 1995 a quien entonces era el jefe de los "cascos azules" de la ONU encargados de garantizar la seguridad, el ex coronel danés Thomas Karremans, que ahora vive retirado en una urbanización de la costa de Alicante.

"Las Madres invitamos al coronel a ser nuestro testigo, que comparezca en el juicio y cuente lo que vio y no impidió; nosotras nos vamos a sentir aliviadas y él pasará su vida más tranquilo. Si dice la verdad, todo será perdonado; si no lo hace, el castigo de Dios es seguro, y eso es más duro", dice Subasic en una entrevista con EFE con voz firme.

El juicio tendrá lugar en una fecha aún no determinada en el Tribunal Penal Internacional para la Antigua Yugoslavia (TPIY) contra el general serbio Ratko Mladic, un proceso que sufre continuos retrasos debido a la mala salud del acusado.

"Se va a morir (Mladic), se va a morir antes de que le juzguen y le declaren culpable y se escapará de la Justicia como se escapó Milosevic", lamenta Subasic, quien reconoce que reza por que eso no suceda y para que el "carnicero de los Balcanes" aguante con salud "hasta que sea condenado".

"Todos los días pido a Dios que le dé buena salud" al general Mladic, reitera con convicción la presidenta de las Madres de Srebrenica, quien busca justicia por la masacre de más de 8.000 hombres musulmanes en dicha ciudad.

Subasic perdió a 22 familiares en aquellos días de julio de 1995 cuando Mladic ordenó a sus tropas eliminar a todos los varones musulmanes refugiados en Srebrenica, una ciudad bosnia declarada "ciudad segura" por la ONU en la que oficialmente murieron unos 8.100 hombres, incluidos niños y ancianos.

Desde entonces, esta mujer de 63 años que luce un moño blanco y una sonrisa dulce, lucha por llevar a los responsables ante la justicia, por identificar y devolver a sus familias los restos de los asesinados y por que "no se olvide ni se repita" el peor genocidio en Europa desde la II Guerra Mundial.

Presidenta de la organización Madres de Srebrenica, Subasic se encuentra en Madrid para recoger el Premio Derechos Humanos que otorga el Consejo General de la Abogacía Española.

El antiguo presidente serbio y yugoslavo Slobodan Milosevic murió de un ataque cardiaco en su celda en 2006, cuando estaba siendo juzgado por crímenes de guerra en Bosnia, Croacia y en Kosovo.

Pero las Madres de Srebrenica no lo tienen tan claro.

"La CIA ha vuelto a hacer de las suyas y Milosevic está vivo, escondido en Rusia" junto a su mujer y sus hijos, afirma convencida Subasic, quien asegura que en torno a su muerte sucedieron "muchas cosas muy raras".

Así, plantea que la muerte del ex mandatario fue certificada por médicos serbios y no del TPIY, que el cadáver nunca fue expuesto ante familiares y amigos como marca la tradición serbia y que fue enterrado en el jardín de su viuda sin que estuvieran presentes ni ella ni sus hijos.

El problema que plantea la muerte de Milosevic a mitad de juicio es que "nunca fue condenado, y los jóvenes serbios se agarran a eso para decir que fue un héroe, que no es culpable y que no hubo genocidio", explica Subasic.

"No nos puede pasar otra vez; no puede ser que las víctimas tengan nombre y los genocidas no", subraya.

Pero lo cierto es que la identificación de las víctimas está siendo lenta y muy compleja ya que los restos de los miles de musulmanes asesinados entre el 16 y el 20 de julio de 1995 están dispersos por numerosas fosas comunes que fueron rellenadas de cadáveres con la ayuda de grandes excavadoras.

"Ya hemos identificado y enterrado a 5.342 víctimas", explica esta mujer que asegura que en Srebrenica hubo 10.701 muertos y desaparecidos, aunque el Gobierno de Serbia sólo reconoce 8.372.

Los restos de otras 2.000 personas están enterrados en un memorial impulsado por la organización de las madres, que "no quieren enterrar un sólo hueso de sus hijos, o un solo diente" y han preferido enterrarlos de forma comunitaria.

No así Subasic, quien ya localizó el cadáver de su marido y sigue buscando el de su hijo Nermin, asesinado a los 19 años, y de quien dice que "estaría feliz de encontrar un sólo hueso suyo".

"Si yo muero y no he conseguido enterrarlo y tener una tumba para mi hijo pequeño es como si nunca hubiera tenido un hijo", afirma esta mujer cuya cara se ilumina hablando de sus dos nietas de 12 y 9 años, a las que contará "todo lo que pasó".

"Deben conocer su historia, pero también les enseñamos a ser buenas personas y a que tengan amigos de todas las religiones, sólo así podrán tener un buen futuro". EFE

Que hay de cierto de que los chinos compraron partes del F-117 derribado?

Saludos


Se ha llegado a afirmar que parte de los restos del F-117 derribado fueron transportados por un Ilyushin Il-76 a la Federación Rusa.

Es más que probable que en base a la buena relación Serbio-China se vendiese material sensible del F-117 a Pekín.

Como estará ocurriendo con el RQ-170 'Sentinel' capturado en Irán.

UN SALUDO

ya que Rusia era aliada de Milosevic

el gobierno terrorista de Yeltsin

Tu lo ha dicho:

A los americanos ha de haberles dolido la perdida de un aparato tan avanzado, y que parte de esa tecnología haya caído en manos rusas y chinas ha de haberles dolido mucho mas.

Tengo entendido que también perdieron algunos F-15 y F-16, partes de estos aviones se encuentran en el Museo de Aviación de Belgrado, pero los componentes internos han de haber ido a parar a manos rusas y chinas, cierto?

Saludos

Como si lo derribaron a pedradas. [chertik]

Derribar un avión Stealth es un hito tecnológico porque superas algo concebido para superar defensas antiaéreas. Aparte, es que fué el primero de los diseños Stealth puros que lo fué y, encima, lograste hacerte con los restos. Otro hito.

UN SALUDO

La persona que derribó el aparato y un pequeño relato:
http://cronicashungaras.blogspot.com/2009/05/el-hungaro-que-derribo-al-avion.html
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Video de los restos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXtA9zQEvgA

Lavrentiy, Bigshow dígannos; ya que Rusia era aliada de Milosevic, algo deben haber hecho... No se, tropas o suplementos deben haber enviado, o al menos eso creo. Otra cosa, el gobierno terrorista de Yeltsin debe haber dicho algo, que dijeron?

 [yes]

Base aerea de Somber tras ser bombardeada

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Deposito de armamento en Nis tras el ataque

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Sede del BIA tras haber sido bombardeado

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Edificio del Ministerior del Interior tras ser bombardeado

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Cuarteles serbios en Pristina tras el ataque

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Bateria SA-3 tras el ataque

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Depositos de municiones en Mitrovica tras ser bombardeados

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Depositos de combustible en Pristina tras el ataque

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Cuarteles yugoslavos en Prizren tras el ataque

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Base Aerea de Sjenica tras ser bombardeada el 16 de Mayo

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Fabrica de tanques en Glogovac tras ser bombardeada

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Base Aerea de Sjenica tras el ataque

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Base Aerea de Ponivke tras ser bombardeada el 30 de mayo

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Sitio de SA-3 en Belgrado. 27 de marzo

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Base Aerea de Batanjica tas ser bombardeada

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Cuarteles yugoslavos en Urosevac tras el ataque. 17 de abril

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Cuartel de Grnijlane tras el atque. 24 de abril

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Puente de Brstica tras el ataque. 1 de mayo

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Base de reabastecimiento en Krivovo tras el ataque. 15 de mayo

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Depositos de combustible en Prahovo tras el ataque. 28 de mayo

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Tanque destruido cerca de Kamena Glava. 7 de mayo

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Cuartel yugoslavo en Crupija tras el ataque. 23 de abril

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Estacion de la policia militar en Pristina tras el ataque. 19 de abril

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Pristina Radrel ??? No se que es un Radrel. 19 de abril

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Deposito de vehiculos y helipuerto de Novi Sad tras el ataque. 31 de marzo

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Bombardeos en el Aeropuerto Internacional de Belgrado-Nikola Tesla. 7 de abril

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Edificio principal de la Base Aerea de Pristina. 21 de abril

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Cuarteles yugoslavos en Urosevac. 21 de abril

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Puesto de comando en Livadica tras el ataque. 21 de abril

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Deposito de municiones en Nis. 6 de abril

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Estacion de radar de Pristina tras el ataque. 13 de abril

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Cuarteles yugoslavos en Vranje tras el ataque. 4 de mayo

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Centro de comunicaciones en Bela Palanka tras el ataque. 4 de mayo

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Refineria de Novi Sad durante el ataque. 4 de mayo

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Estacion de radio de Beliki Jasterebac tras el ataque. 3 de mayo

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Emisora de la estacion de radio del estado tras ser bombardeada. 24 de mayo

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Hay analistas que están convencidos que la marcha a Pristina fue mucho más de lo que se sabe de ella. Según ellos fue intento totalmente planeado  y premeditado por algunos altos cargos rusos de provocar un conflicto armado limitado entre Rusia y la OTAN, pero entraron fuertes figuras a los que no les interesaba en absoluto un enfrentamiento de este tipo ya que hacía peligrar sus medios de enriquecimiento.

This table was compiled by the Freedom Fighters organization. Their e-mail addresses pavkens@EUnet.yu and drcvetic@EUnet.yu Please contact them if you have any information about new NATO losses or if you can add anything to the information already contained in this table. I (Venik) and the Freedom Fighters will try to update this table as frequently as possible.

Copyright © 1999 Freedom Fighters. All Rights Reserved

No. Day Time Location Type of aircraft/Remarks
1. 24.03. 20:20 Mt. Cicavica
2. 20:35 near Titel NATO plane that was hit with an air to air missile fired by MiG-29 pilot Nebojsa Nikolic. Airplane crashed several minutes later
3. 20:18 Mt. Jastrebac German Tornado
4. near Lazarevac One NATO aircraft hit with an AA missile fired by a pilot Slobodan Peric. Further destiny of the plane is not known
5. 21:30 Kosovo
6. 25.03. 0:30 Adriatic sea According to Greek military sources, there were two registered "MAYDAY" calls from NATO aircraft
7.
8. 1:00 airfield Rajlovac, Sarajevo Emergency landing of one F-15 spewing thick, white smoke
9. 23:00 2 F/A-18 Hornets that crashed 11km south of Ruma. According to reports, at least one was Canadian
10. 23:10
11. 23:30 area between Pristina and Podujevo
12. around 23:30 Mt. Fruska Gora One aircraft shot down (according to reports, F-117A) who's pilot ejected and was captured in the village Krusedol. He was then taken to the nearest police station
13. Mt. Fruska Gora One German Tornado shot down. Crew ejected. Pilot, male was killed while the female navigator was captured in the village Remeta and taken to the same police station as the pilot from the alleged F-117
14. 26.03. 17:20 village Donja Trnova, 15km southwest of Bijeljina, Republic of Srpska American F-15E. Crew was killed. The plane was shot down by a MiG-21.
15. 27.03. around 1:00 Mt. Maljen German Tornado. Crew ejected and landed in the vicinity of the village Konjevici, near Cacak, where they were captured
16. near Pec
17. around 3:00 area between Vrutak and Kremna, near Uzice
18. around 3:20 area between Vrutak and Kremna, near Uzice SFOR helicopter with 22 soldiers on board. After a short gunfight with the Yugoslav infantry unit, helicopter was destroyed by Strela-1M mobile SAM. No survivors.
19. north of Sombor One NATO airplane hit. No further information
20. before morning Ion sea According to Greek military sources, there were three registered "MAYDAY" messages. One from Dutch F-16, one from American F-15 and a third from one French aircraft (probably Mirage 2000)
21.
22.
23. 15:50 Djeneral Jankovic, near Macedonian border Canadian F/A-18 Hornet. Plane crashed on the Macedonian territory
24. around 17:00 near Budjanovci
25. 20:55 Budjanovci F-117A, serial number HO AF 82/806. Pilot Cpt. Ken 'Wiz' Dwelle was rescued, according to NATO. Aircraft shot down by Col. Gvozden Djukic's air defense unit
26. 22:30 Macedonian border Rescue helicopter shot down
27. 28.03. 2:50 Zabrdje, near Bijeljina Most probably an American F-15. Pilot was killed. Some sources say that it was in fact an F-117!
28. 3:00 near Bijeljina SFOR helicopter HH-60 Pave Hawk with 12 soldiers on board. Only two crew members survived
29. Loznica region Pilot ejected
30. 3:00 Gornji Milanovac Pilot ejected and captured shortly after
31. 16:00 Bijeljina Aircraft hit over Yugoslavia crashed in Bosnia.
32. 22:30 Macedonian border Rescue helicopter shot down
33. 23:50 Pristina Pilot killed
34. 23:55 Mt. Pastrik, near Prizrena Aircraft crashed in Macedonia
35. 29.03. 3:00 village Gakovo, near Sombor Pilot ejected and reportedly escaped to Hungary
36. 1:30 village Stojna, 14km from Pale, Republic of Srpska Some sources say that it was either F-15 or F-16, American. Pilot ejected but found dead later on. His neck was broken
37. 30.03. around 1:00 near Virpazar British Harrier. Pilot ejected but was soon captured
38. around 1:00 near Virpazar With the second missile, one aircraft that was in Harrier's escort was hit. Most probably an American F-16 that was hit over Montenegro. His pilot turned the airplane back to Italy but flying above the Adriatic, lost altitude and crashed near several NATO vessels. The pilot was picked up by a French rescue unit
39. 2:30 Mt. Cer Aircraft hit over Cer mountain crashed in Bosnia. According to the reports, it was a German Tornado. Crew ejected
40. 8:00 Surcin
41. 16:30 near Vranje According to reports, Tornado aircraft. Crew ejected and landed in the area between two villages, on the road to Kriva Feja
42. 23:30 Prizren Airplane crashed on Mt. Sara (Sar planina). According to information, it was a British Tornado. Crew ejected and landed onto a KLA controlled territory. They were escorted by the KLA to the Albanian border and handed to NATO representatives
43. before midnight Obla Glava, near Aleksinac UAV
44. 31.03. evening near Gnjilane F-117 crashed in Macedonia after being hit
45. 18:00 Rescue helicopter with 20 commandos on board
46. Sirig, north of Novi Sad German Tornado. Crew ejected and captured shortly after that
47. 22:30 Mt. Tara
48. 22:45 Mt. Tara NATO rescue helicopter CH-53 with 25 commandos. Helicopter shot down by Strela-2M portable SAM. No survivors
49. 01.04. 1:00 Mt. Tara NATO (possibly SFOR) helicopter CH-53 Stallion with 25 crew members. Helicopter shot dwon by Strela-2M portable SAM. No survivors
50. 3:05 airfield Pleso, Zagreb Crash-landing of one damaged F-117A
51. 7:00 Kosovo Aircraft hit over Kosovo crashed into suburban area of Skopje
52. 03.04. 19:30 Banja Luka region One F-16 seen over the town spewing thick, black smoke
53. 19:45 Novi Sad Aircraft damaged during the attack on Novi Sad's bridge "Most Slobode". Airplane crashed near Stara Pazova. Pilot captured
54. 04.04. before midnight near Uzice One NATO aircraft damaged (most probably F/A-18 Hornet). Aircraft dropped two full fuel tanks and immediately after that, touched with one of its wings a power line. It is not known whether the plane crashed or not
55. 05.04. 2:20 Obrenovac
56. 3:03 Zlatibor
57. evening between Dolovo and Banatsko Novo Selo, near Pancevo Aircraft downed by Lt.Col. Zoran Damnjanovic's air defense unit. There are some indications that another plane was shot down as well
58. 21:00 Mt. Fruska Gora One NATO plane downed. Pilot ejected near 'Pobeda' factory and was soon captured. Most likely F-117A
59. 20:00 Novi Sad During the attack on Novi Sad's "Zezelj" bridge, one German Tornado was shot down. Crew ejected and was captured shortly after
60. 06.04. 2:30 Aleksinac Dutch F-16
61. 4:20 Mt. Fruska Gora During the attack on Crveni Cot TV tower, one plane was downed. Pilot ejected and landed in the vicinity of village Remete. There is information suggesting that it was an F-117
62. after midnight Pristina NATO plane was hit while over the town. Aircraft crashed on Mt. Sara, near Skopje
63. 5:00 south of Fruska Gora Two NATO rescue helicopters with soldiers on board
64.
65. after midnight village Svinjare, near Kosovska Mitrovica
66. 11:10 Mt. Skopska Crna Gora Two NATO SAR helicopters with 40 commandos on board. No survivors
67.
68. after midnight Yugoslav-Albanian border (Montenegro) NATO helicopter with 20 soldiers and one rescued pilot on board. No survivors
69. around 22:00 Hill Zabucje, Uzice One aircraft hit and damaged
70. 23:30 Vozdovac, Belgrade Dogfight between Yugoslav Mig-21 and US F-15. F-15 crashed near Avala mountain. Confirmed by an eyewitness
71. 07.04. 0:00 near Pristina One NATO aircraft hit which headed in flames toward Macedonia. Near Skopska Crna Gora, one plane was seen in flames and after that, a powerful explosion was heard with a huge blast. It is assumed that the aircraft crashed
72. 2:00 Podgorica French Mirage 2000. Missile missed but pilot ejected anyway
73. 22:30 Kosovo Airplane hit over Kosovo crashed near Skopje
74. before midnight near Pristina American UAV Hunter shot down by Lt.Col. Brajan Vukicevic's air defense unit
75. before midnight Ljig
76. before midnight near Novi Sad Belgian F-16B. 42 year old pilot and 28 years old female co-pilot captured. Plane was shot down by Aleksandar Sunjka with 20mm AAA
77. 08.04. after midnight near Nis German Tornado. Crew captured
78. 12:40 Kosovo Aircraft crashed near Skopje
79. 09.04. 23:30 Ivanovo, near Belgrade
80. 10.04. 2:00 Batajnica NATO rescue helicopter shot down ad crashed into Danube
81. 15:45 Suva Reka region Crashed near Kumanovo
82. before midnight near Nis
83. 11.04. 0:12 Backi Brestovac, near Crvenka German. Most probably Tornado
84. 1:00 between Sombor and Odzaci An unidentified NATO aircraft was shot down by two radar-guided Kub SAMs * (may be the same as the above entry)
85. 11:20 Kosovo NATO aircraft shot down by Major Stojan Simijonovic's air defense unit. Plane crashed in Macedonia
86. 12.04. 0:21 between Belgrade and Pancevo
87. 21:30 village Osmaci, near Tuzla British Sea Harrier. Pilot killed. Aircraft was hit over Zrenjanin, where it jettisoned its fuel tanks
88. before midnight Kosovo German UAV CL-289
89. 13.04. after midnight near Batajnica airfield
90. after midnight Jabuka, north of Pancevo
91. 1:00 Olujci
92. after midnight near Srbinje (ex Foca), Bosnia Pilot killed
93. after midnight village Kadijina Cesma, near Tuzla
94. after midnight Bela Crkva, near Vrsac Probably Harrier
95. 23:00 Jabuka road, Pancevo
96. 14.04. after midnight Kosovo Polje German UAV CL-289
97. 0:10 Priboj
98. morning Kosovo German UAV CL-289
99. after midnight Yugoslav-Romanian border Two fuel tanks and several other F-15 parts found. No further information
100. 9:00 Crashed in Lopare, near Tuzla
101. 10:00* Sirig, north of Novi Sad Aircraft crashed near Kamendin agronomic well. Pilot ejected and captured
102. 10:05* near Belgrade
103. 11:50 Crashed near Mesaric
104. 12:00 Debrca, Vladimirci district
105. 15.04. 0:00 Krusevac F-16
106. 1:42 Dobovac, near Uzice
107. 1:45 Avala mountain, south of Belgrade Confirmed by an eyewitness
108. 1:59 Dobovac, near Uzice
109. 2:00 Kula
110. 2:00 near Priboj
111. 3:00 Mt. Bjelasnica, Bosnia
112. 12:43 Vladimirci, near Sabac
113. 19:30 Podgorica Tornado. Airplane shot down by Lt. Zdravko Bankovic, with L70 Bofors. Aircraft crashed into Lake Skadar. According to some other info, plane was shot own by Lt. Goran Ratkovic
114. 19:35 Podgorica French Mirage 2000. Airplane shot down by Lt. Zdravko Bankovic, with L70 Bofors. Plane crashed on Rumija mountain. Pilot ejected and captured shortly after. According to some other info, plane was shot own by Lt. Goran Ratkovic
115. 19:45 near Podgorica One NATO aircraft shot down by soldier Predrag Dzonic with Strela-2M portable SAM. Pilot ejected and landed in the village of Kruse where he was captured
116. 23:30 airfield Petrovec, Skopje Crash-landing of one heavily damaged A-10. Plane was hit with two portable SAMs
117. 16.04. 17:30 southern Kosovo A-10 shot down by soldier Dragan Petrovic with portable SAM. Plane crashed on Macedonian territory, near the border post Debelde
118. 19:51 Podgorica Tornado
119. 22:45 New Belgrade (Novi Beograd)
120. 23:11 Pancevo
121. 23:15 Podgorica French Mirage 2000
122. 17.04. 3:17 Mt. Skopska Crna Gora, Macedonia British Sea Harrier
123. 11:00 Milosev Do, near Prijepolja Probably British Sea Harrier
124. 14:30 Urosevac Airplane crashed 4 km into Macedonian territory, near the village Tanusevci. Pilot killed
125. 17:08 Bogatic One Tornado crashed on Fruska Gora mountain
126. 22:10 Cerevic, Fruska Gora Several structural parts of Tornado aircraft were found. Plane was hit and damaged and headed in flames, while spewing thick, black smoke toward Croatian airspace, where it probably crashed
127. 22:10 Loznica Aircraft hit with two missiles crashed in Bosnia
128. 23:30 near Valjevo One aircraft hit with Strela-2M portable SAM. Immediately after that, plane jettisoned its fuel tanks and headed for Ljubovija. Several minutes later, a powerful explosion was heard. Aircraft crashed near Bratunac, Bosnia. Crash confirmed by Yugoslav border patrol and local villagers
129. 18.04. 0:50 Mountain Skopska Crna Gora, Macedonia One US A-10 crashed after being hit over Kosovo
130. 0:51 airfield Petrovec, Skopje Crash landing of one heavily damaged A-10 Thunderbolt II
131. 0:55 Kosovska Mitrovica
132. 2:00 Pristina UAV
133. around 3:00 Mt. Povlen One Tornado was damaged. Aircraft headed toward Sarajevo airfield but crashed in the village Crvica, near Skelani, in the Republic of Srpska
134. 16:10 Mt. Cicevica, near Pristina Blew up while airborne. Most probably an F-16
135. 16:15 Mt. Cicevica, near Pristina Blew up while airborne
136. 19:00 near Pristina Plane crashed on Mt. Cicavica
137. before midnight near Tuzla American UAV Predator
138. 22:30 Jelovski Kamen, near Tetovo Tornado
139. 23:00 airfield Rajlovac, Sarajevo Crash-landing of one Danish F-16. Plane was damaged by a SAM
140. 19.04. after midnight village Jegunovce, near Tetovo German UAV CL-289
141. 10:30 Tetovo, Macedonia Tornado
142. 14:01 Kumanovo, Macedonia
143. Smederevo During the attack on the bridge in Smederevo, one aircraft shot down by a SAM
144. 23:00 Mt. Veliki Jastrebac
145. 23:30 Mt. Veliki Jastrebac NATO helicopter with rescue troops
146. 23:15 Urosevac
147. 20.04. 2:30 Mt. Rudnik, Topola
148. 3:15 Mt. Rudnik, village Cumic
149. 19:00 Gornje Stanovce, near Vucitrn UAV
150. 23:00 near Vranje
151. 23:30 Mt. Jastrebac Rescue helicopter
152. 23:50 near Beocin Two F-15 fuel tanks found filled with bullet holes. Aircraft crashed in the area between Vukovar and Osijek
153. 21.04. 16:00 Mt. Fruska Gora One NATO plane damaged. Several parts were found. Aircraft crashed in Croatia
154. 23:40 Vozdovac, Belgrade Hit with several 30mm AAA Praga rounds. Crashed into Lipovica forrest (Lipovacka suma) Confirmed by an eyewitness
155. 22.04. 0:43 Orlovaca Rescue helicopter
156. 1:20 Lipovica, near Belgrade Rescue helicopter. Crew killed, helicopter captured
157. Sonta, near Apatin American UAV Predator
158. 18:00 Kursumlija Wreckage found in town's vicinity
159. 18:05 Kursumlija Wreckage found in Lebane region
160. 23.04. 2:28 Makis, Belgrade
161. 4:20 area between Surcin and Jakovo
162. 4:40 Lipovica, near Belgrade Rescue helicopter
163. 15:00 near Pristina One NATO plane damaged. Several parts were found on the scene. While spewing thick, white smoke, aircraft headed for Albania where it most probably crashed
164. 15:10 Orlane, 15km northeast of Pristina
This table was compiled by the Freedom Fighters organization. Their e-mail addresses pavkens@EUnet.yu and drcvetic@EUnet.yu Please contact them if you have any information about new NATO losses or if you can add anything to the information already contained in this table. I (Venik) and the Freedom Fighters will try to update this table as frequently as possible.

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This table was compiled by the Freedom Fighters organization. Their e-mail addresses pavkens@EUnet.yu and drcvetic@EUnet.yu Please contact them if you have any information about new NATO losses or if you can add anything to the information already contained in this table. I (Venik) and the Freedom Fighters will try to update this table as frequently as possible.

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No. Day Time Location Type of aircraft/Remarks
165. 24.04. 3:55 Mt. Fruska Gora
166. 4:40 Pristina
167. 4:40 Dimitrovgrad
168. 14:45 Pristina Crashed near the village of Businje
169. 17:25 southern Serbia One F/A-18 Hornet shot down that came from Bulgarian airspace by soldier Radisa Zdravkovic with Strela-2M portable SAM. Pilot ejected
170. 17:27 Only two minues after the first hit, soldier Radisa Zdravkovic shot down another NATO aircraft coming from Bulgarian airspace, this time British Harrier, again with Strela-2M portable SAM. Pilot ejected
171. 18:05 near Pristina Crashed near Laplje Selo
172. Boka Kotorska UAV
173. Mt. Kukavica, near Leskovac Pilot captured
174. 25.04. after midnight near Pristina Crashed near the village of Lipovica
175. 14:38 Novi Sad
176. Kosovo One AH-64 Apache captured by Yugoslav army troops
177. 26.04. 0:37 mountain Zlatibor
178. 4:30 Zenica, Bosnia Harrier (probably British)
179. 4:45 Macedonia
180. 12:50 Novi Sad One NATO aircraft hit and damaged while in low level flight. Immediately after that, a thick black smoke started spewing out of it. Plane crashed near Osijek, Croatia
181. 22:00 40 km northeast of Tirana AH-64 Apache. Crew escaped uninjured. Helicopter was probably hit during the attack on Kosare border post
182. Kumodraz, near Belgrade During the attack on business center "Usce", one aircraft was shot down by Aleksandar Ruzic with Strela-2M missile (Lt.Col. Momir Ivkovic's air defense unit)
183. 23:30 Novi Sad
184. 27.04. 1:45 Mt. Fruska Gora One damaged airplane dropped its payload near Croatian village Palaca, not far from Osijek
185. 10:57 near airfield Petrovec, Skopje
186. around 17:00 near Prokuplje Pilot ejected and landed in the woods of Mt. Pasjaca, south of Prokuplje. Wreckage of the plane was found in the Jovine Livade region, on Mt. Pasjaca
187. 17:15 Beli Kamen, near Prokuplje Wreckage found on the hill near Berilje
188. Mt. Zlatibor region Pilot ejected
189. 22:45 Pristina AH-64 Apache helicopter
190. 28.04. around 14:00 near Podgorica Pilot ejected
191. around 14:30 near Berane
192. around midnight village Norovo, near Krusevo, Macedonia Crew of two ejected and landed on top of the trees. Later on, NATO rescue unit picked them up
193. afternoon region between villages of Velika Sabanta and Gornja Pcelica One NATO plane hit and damaged while in low level flight. Aircraft dropped its payload and headed for Crni Vrh. No further information
194. 29.04. 0:48 Topcider, Belgrade
195. 0:56 Podgorica
196. region of Macedonian-Albanian border town Debar Plane crashed in Albania
197. around 1:00 hill Vodno, near Skopje Plane crashed in the woods of Mt. Vedro, near Skopje
198. around 1:40 near Zemun According to stories of eyewitnesses, two NATO aircraft were shot down
199.
200. 11:15 Samokov, 40 km southwest of Skopje According to stories of eyewitnesses, the crew of two was found carbonized
201. 16:08 Makis, Belgrade One aircraft hit with Strela-1M missile launched by G.D. Aircraft started spewing black smoke only to crash several moments later in swamps near Jabuka (Jabucki Rit)
202. 16:35 Pancevo
203. village Bistrica, near Veles, Macedonia According to eyewitnesses, one plane, spewing black smoke, dropped two missiles and headed behind the mountain. Immediately after that, a powerful explosion was heard from that direction so it is assumed that the plane crashed
204. 22:40 Avala mountain, south of Belgrade
205. 23:57 Simanovci, northeast of Belgrade Plane crashed in Kupinovo
206. 30.04. around 23:15 Grocka, 20 km southeast of Belgrade According to eyewitnesses, there was also a parachute seen
206.a An F-117A of the 49th FW was damaged during strike mission by a nearby explosion of an SA-3 SAM, "...causing loss of part of the tail section, but the aircraft was able to return safely to Spangdahlem air base, Germany." (source: Air Force Monthly, July 1999, p. 75)
207. 01.05. 11:50 Zvornik
208. 14:15 Adriatic sea, 40 km from Brindisi American USMC AV-8B. Pilot ejected and was soon rescued
209. vicinity of Uzice Two aircraft that were shot down and crashed somewhere in the Republic of Srpska. One aircraft was seen to be hit (probably by a SAM) and after that started spewing black smoke, heading toward Bosnian airspace. Several eyewitnesses reported
210.
211. 02.05. around 2:05 village Nakucani, southwest of Sabac American F-16CG. Pilot rescued, according to NATO. Aircraft downed by Col. Gvozden Djukic's air defense unit
212. around 4:00 village Nakucani Two NATO helicopters with rescue troops
213.
214. around 12:00 southern Kosovo A-10 Thunderbolt II. Plane was shot down by Cpt. Vojislav Krstovic (Lt.Col. Brajan Vukicevic's air defense unit) with portable SAM. Several structural parts were found (engine cowling and armor plates) and televised on national TV. Wreckage of the plane was found near Tetovo, in Macedonia
215. 16:50 airfield Petrovec, Skopje Crash landing of one heavily damaged A-10
216. 18:00 near airfield Petrovec Crash-landing of one A-10. Many eyewitnesses reported that the aircraft appeared to have serious damage to one of its engines (right engine relative to the pilot) and a wing. Several missiles were still attached to the underwing pylons, creating a danger of explosion and a panic among local residents. The pilot of the aircraft was reported to have been injured. Some 40 minutes after the crash, the aircraft was towed by a NATO vehicle to the Petrovec airport
217. 12:15 Umka, near Belgrade According to eyewitnesses, two parachutes seen in the sky. From reliable sources, one pilot, an American, around 30-years old was captured in Mostanica, after 2 hours of pursuit. He was on a recon mission to photograph a bridge in Ostruznica
218. 12:20
219. 03.05. 21:45 Novi Sad During the attack on Novi Sad TV, one aircraft was hit and damaged. Shortly after that, a thick, black smoke started spewing out of it so it is assumed that the plane crashed in the vicinity
220. 23:45 Lake Ohrid, Macedonia According to eyewitnesses, one aircraft crashed in Lake Ohrid. NATO forces later on, pulled the wreckage out of the water
221. 04.05. 2:10 airbase in Italy Crash landing of one heavily damaged F-117A Night Hawk. Later on, NATO's joint comission concluded that the plane is damaged beyond repair, hence recalled from active service
222. 21:50 Srbinje (ex Foca), Republic of Srpska
223. 23:10 Pristina A-10 Thunderbolt II
224. 05.05. 1:30 Bajina Basta One plane hit and damaged. Aircraft crashed on Bosnian territory
225. morning 75 km northeast of Tirana AH-64 Apache. Pilot and gunner killed. NATO's classified report cited a SAM hit as a possible reason for the crash
226. 06.05. before midnight Presevo UAV. Remains found in the area between Bujanovac and Presevo
227. 07.05. 2:09 Skopje, Macedonia
228. 14:30 Novi Sad One NATO aircraft during the attack on Iriski Venac. Plane continued its flight toward Sabac, spewing black smoke. It was confirmed later that the plane crashed in the vicinity of Sabac
229. between
3:43 and 4:30 area around Nis One plane crashed in the vicinity of Svrljig
230. One plane crashed near Sicevo
231. One plane crashed in the village of Malca
232. One plane crashed near Pirot
233. One plane crashed near Leskovac. Reports say that captured pilot was Canadian (probably CF-18 Hornet)
234. 08.05. around 0:30 area between Kacarevo, Padina and Vladimirovac, north of Pancevo One aircraft (according to sources, an F-16) was shot down by a Kub or Neva missile. Pilot probably ejected because there was an intensive search by Yugoslav military during the night and on the next morning
235. 3:45 Banjica, Belgrade
236. airfield Petrovec, Skopje Heavily damaged B-2A, after a direct hit by Yugoslav air defense tried to crash-land but 'cut off' a mountain top instead and exploded
237. 14:00 Nis After the attack on the bridge in the center of Nis, one aircraft was shot down and crashed on Suva mountain
238. evening Gornji Milanovac UAV shot down
239. 10.05. 23:05 Avala mountain, Belgrade Aircraft crashed in the Avala-Kosmaj range. Confirmed by an eyewitness
240. 11.05. 0:00 Grdelica, near Nis One Tornado shot down
241. 11:00 Batajnica, northwest of Belgrade Aircraft crashed north of Danube river
242. 12:40 Gruza, 15km southwest of Kragujevac Aircraft crashed on Gledicke mountain, between villages of Bajcetine and Cestina
243. 15:00 area between Banovci and Jakovo
244. 12.05. 15:00 Nis
245. 15:00 Kosovo
246. 15:15 Nis Two NATO aircraft, after being hit, crashed in Bulgaria
247.
248. 23:11 village Vaksince, near Kumanovo Eyewitnesses from the village Tromedja reported seeing 4 NATO aircraft returning from Kosovo. One of them, with heavy smoke coming out that later turned into fire, started losing altitude and crashed between villages Cetirce and Tromedja. Helicopters coming from Skopje were observed shortly after
249. 0:00 Loznica Aircraft crashed on Mt. Majevica, in Bosnia
250. 0:00 Mt. Fruska Gora
251. 13.05. 4:25 near Nova Pazova One B-52H hit and damaged. Aircraft then headed toward Dobanovci where it crashed. 17 people killed
252. around 5:00 Rakovica, near Belgrade Rescue helicopter captured. 17 soldiers killed, 3 captured
253. 7:25 Kicevo, Macedonia The pilot is believed to have ejected southwest of Skopje. Several helicopters have been observed flying into the area shortly after
254. around 12:00 village Klokot, near Vitina French UAV CL-289 shot down by Lt.Col. Brajan Vukicevic's air defense unit
255. 14:23 Stara Pazova One French Mirage (probably Mirage 2000) shot sown. Pilot captured
256. Becmen, 15km west of Belgrade According to eyewitnesses, one (maybe two) aircraft was shot down. Several plane fragments were found in the area. Eyewitnesses also report seeing two parachutes land in a nearby sports fishing zone. The pilots were reportedly captured
257. 16:00 Mountain Sara, Yugoslav-Macedonian border
258. around 19:00 village Biba, near Urosevac American UAV Predator. Downing footage shown on Radio Television of Serbia. UAV shot down by soldier Davor Veljkovic with Strela-1M missile system
259. Mt. Mokra Gora, village Istok, 15km northeast of Pec American UAV made by Boeing Corporation. Video capture shown on Radio Television of Serbia
260. 14.05. 14:40 Mt. Rudnik region Two NATO aircraft hit. Immediately after that, they jettisoned their fuel tanks and headed toward Bosnian airspace
261.
262. Djakovica region American A-10, after being hit by Yugoslav air defense, crashed on Sara mountain, near Albanian border
263. 19:20 Nis One NATO aircraft hit. Pilot ejected and landed in the vicinity of village Brenice
264. 23:30 Nis One French Crecerelle UAV shot down
265. village Klista, near Osijek, Croatia According to eyewitnesses, one (presumably Mirage 2000) crashed while attempting emergency landing at the Osijek airport. Aircraft jettisoned its fuel tank only to crash few moments later.
266. 15.05. 11:15 Banovci, near Belgrade Aircraft crashed near Lisicji Jarak
267. 13:40 Padinska Skela, near Belgrade One aircraft (F-16 according to eyewitnesses) was shot down near the river Danube by an air defense unit. Aircraft came from the direction of Novi Dobanovci already damaged. It crashed near the silos in Kovilovo
268. 13:43 Padinska Skela, near Belgrade One aircraft of the same type as the one shot down three minutes ago (hence, an F-16) was hit by the same air defense unit. Aircraft crashed at the almost identical spot as the one three minutes earlier!
269. near Kursumlija Danish F-16 hit and damaged. Aircraft probably crashed on Mt. Kopaonik
270. 16.05. Kosovo German UAV CL-289
271. 20:00 village Izvor, near Veles, Macedonia One NATO plane crashed not far from the village. Pilot ejected and was soon picked up by the helicopters near the place called Cuka. Incident reported and confirmed by numerous eyewitnesses and local police HQ.
272. 17.05. 1:30 Cacak
273. 13:12 area between Becmen and Ugrinovci One aircraft shot down while attacking Batajnica airfield
274. 13:30 Skopje, Macedonia NATO pilot ejected and was seen by numerous eyewitnesses
275. Pester plateau American UAV, according to reports, a reconnaissance version of AGM-86 ALCM
276. 15:30 area between Brestovik and Smederevo One French Mirage 2000 that crashed on a highway Belgrade-Obrenovac. Pilot ejected and captured shortly after
277. 18.05. 3:45 Mt. Fruska Gora
278. Zvornik Rescue helicopter
279. 15:52 area between Sabac and Koceljevo One aircraft hit and damaged
280. 19.05. around 17:00 village Talinovce, near Urosevac American UAV Predator serial number AF 95 021. UAV shot down by soldier Bojan Filipovic
281. around 19:00 Urosevac American UAV Hunter that crashed in the city area. UAV shot down by soldier Ljubomir Radojko
282. 20.05. 1:00 Vozdovac, Belgrade Confirmed by an eyewitness
283. 1:00 Surcin, Belgrade B-2A Spirit of Missouri, ser. no. AV-8 88-0329. After a direct SAM hit, aircraft crashed near the village of Dec, Pecinci district, between Simanovci and Kupinovo
284. 3:03 Borca, near Belgrade One large NATO aircraft. Story confirmed by numerous eyewitnesses. At 06:00 news, a source from the federal ministry acknowledged the downing of one large NATO bomber. Later on, it was acknowledged that it was a B-52H Stratofortress
285. 3:10 Topcider, Belgrade Two NATO jet fighters that were probably an escort for the bomber
286.
287. 3:25 Banjica, Belgrade Rescue helicopter with troops
288. 3:35 Gradiste, 17km southwest of Vinkovci, Croatia F-16 (most probably US)
289. 4:00 Mt. Cer, southwest of Sabac One B-52H Stratofortress shot down along with its entire crew
290. 15:10 airfield Slatina, Pristina German UAV CL-289
291. 21.05.. 3:00 Mt. Avala, south of Belgrade Rescue helicopter
292. 6:00 Pula, Croatia
293. 8:25 village Buca, Gora district, Kosovo American UAV Hunter
294. 12:00 Kosovo Two aircraft shot down
295.
296. 18:00 Nis One NATO aircraft shot down in an air to air engagement with Yugoslav Air Force fighter. NATO plane crashed onto Suva mountain
297. 22.05. 0:30 area between Topcider and Rakovica, Belgrade
298. 1:10 Rusanj, Belgrade Confirmed by an eyewitness
299. 1:12 Fruska Gora mountain
300. 1:27 area between Mt. Avala and Pancevo Confirmed by an eyewitness
301. 2:35 Lipovica, near Belgrade According to reliable reports, one B-52H Stratofortress shot down
302. 2:40 Kotez, Belgrade
303. 3:26 Ub
304. 4:10 Subotica One heavily damaged NATO plane crashed in Hungary
305. 12:00 Guncati, Belgrade
306. around 14:30 Leskovac One aircraft hit while attacking Leskovac sports airfield. Airplane started smoking and headed for Bulgarian airspace. Later confirmed that it crashed in Bulgaria
307. around 11:30 area of the village Klina, 20 km east of Pec A-10 Thunderbolt II that was hit near Glogovac by a soldier Dj.D. with 20mm AAA
308. 19:10 Prokuplje Aircraft crashed in the village of Vodice
309. Djeneral Jankovic, near Macedonian border American Hunter UAV that crashed on the Macedonian territory near Blace border village. Report confirmed by Macedonian TV A1 and NATO command
310. 23.05. 1:00 Mandjelos, near Sremska Mitrovica
311. Yugoslav-Macedonian border One UAV shot down and crashed in the area between Tetovo and Gostivar, Macedonia
312. near St. Petka (Sveta Petka) monastery Canadian. Most probably CL-289
This table was compiled by the Freedom Fighters organization. Their e-mail addresses pavkens@EUnet.yu and drcvetic@EUnet.yu Please contact them if you have any information about new NATO losses or if you can add anything to the information already contained in this table. I (Venik) and the Freedom Fighters will try to update this table as frequently as possible.

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MiG-21 se prepara para despegar de Batanjica
(http://www.chron.com/mediaManager/?controllerName=image&action-get&id=1202386&width=628&height=471)

MiG-29 yugoslavo en Batanjica
(http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/jrvipvo_mig-29_112.jpg)

(http://www.acig.org/artman/uploads/jrvipvo_mig-29_101_rolling.jpg)

La OTAN solo perdió dos aviones

Amigo Miroslav
La lista de Venik no se la creen ni los serbios. La OTAN solo perdió dos aviones (y ningún piloto) un F 16CJ y el F 117 y posiblemente un F 15E del que hay alguna evidencia circunstancial. Varios más fueron dañados, junto con numerosos UAVs. Lo más meritorio de los serbios fue mantener su ejercito más o menos intacto, aunque no les sirvió para ganar la guerra.
Desafortunadamente para Serbia desidieron combatir a los terroristas kosovares con terrorismo de estado y del más bestia... fue un error y lo pagaron caro

Ambos derribados por la batería de SA-3 al mando de Zoltan Dani, quien a mi juicio debería ser un heroe nacional y sin embargo fue retirado de servicio, por razones políticas creo.

El ministerio de defensa serbio poco despues de los bombazos
(http://www.b92.net/galerija/pics/2002/03/5637368133c9dc51069039169605447.jpg)

Amigo Miroslav
La lista de Venik no se la creen ni los serbios. La OTAN solo perdió dos aviones (y ningún piloto) un F 16CJ y el F 117 y posiblemente un F 15E del que hay alguna evidencia circunstancial. Varios más fueron dañados, junto con numerosos UAVs. Lo más meritorio de los serbios fue mantener su ejercito más o menos intacto, aunque no les sirvió para ganar la guerra.
Desafortunadamente para Serbia desidieron combatir a los terroristas kosovares con terrorismo de estado y del más bestia... fue un error y lo pagaron caro

El derribo del avion Italiano es seguro.Mas tarde fue reconocido.La noticia es del mismo dia creo y tardaron en reconocerlo.
A lo que me refiero diciendo que puedes investigar,es al tema de las perdidas aereas.No necesariamente tienes que haberlo vivido para poder investigarlo.De ser así,ya casi nadie podria investigar la guerra civil española o la segunda guerra mundial. ;D

Por supuesto que esa lista me parece exagerada,pero cabe la posibilidad de que haya mas derribos de los reconocidos,ya que occidente no suele reconocer sus derribos.Los disfraza de accidentes.
P.D.
 Mis disculpas. Pensaba que estabais hablando de los derribos totales,no de los de un año en concreto

Esa es la mentalidad que hay que tener para llegar a averiguar algo  [x_00012] [aplause4]

Acá pueden ver una foto del Spirit of Missisipi del 2003. 4 años despues de su derribo
http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers3-b2.html

Saludos

¿Este no fue el que se estrelló cuando despegaba de...Hawai creo recordar? (o Guam)

O sea que ya tellegó la gráfica nueva  [x_00061]

¿Y donde están los restos de ese derribo en Croacia? La caída (o derribo) de un B-2 sería un hecho tan sonado, que no habría forma de ocultarlo.

Although Ret. Col. Zoltán Dani does not comment on the allegation (although Dani's wartime second in command Lt Col Đorđe Aničić does), as of mid-2009 some Hungarian aviation journalists claim one of these two events was a real hit on a B-2 Spirit stealth bomber, which was either totalled or extensively re-built after an overseas crash landing (this plane was previously believed to be another combat-damaged F-117).

no son aviones invisibles,eso fue propaganda. Son aviones de baja firma o traza radar.

Yo no se que ocurrió en ese caso,pero hay que tener una cosa clara.

pero que inmediatamente se ordeno la construcción de otro que fuese idéntico

No hay evidencias que apoyen la version serbia, suena a las historias de ovnis

Por supuesto que no hay pruebas

El operador de la batería tenia una técnica para derribar aviones stealth

Son aviones de baja firma o traza radar.

En todo caso lo ilustrativo sería discutir como puede defenderse un país de la amenaza sealth y de total superioridad aerea como la que sufrió Serbia. Si los serbios derribaron dos o 50 aviones (cosa muy poco probable), lo cierto es que el pais fue desvastado hasta tener que rendirse, a pesar de tener su ejercito intacto.

Puestos a decir cosas sin pruebas podemos afirmar que derribaron a la mitad de la OTAN y fue reconstruida. No hay evidencias que apoyen la version serbia, suena a las historias de ovnis

La OTAN si tiene pruebas. Existen fotos de todos los B-2 existentes, posteriores a 1999.

estamos discutiendo casi una cuestión de fe.

Pero eso le corresponde a Miroslav

Los aviones Stealth no son invisibles al radar.

Un B-2 cuesta 1000 millones de dólares. No es algo que usted manda a construir con un chasquido de dedos, y mucho menos sólo por el hecho de ocultar un derribo.

Si fuese cierto, ese hombre sería más millonario que Bill Gates, o ya habría sido asesinado por los servicios secretos de la CIA o el Mossad. Y ya hemos visto como terminó Zoltan Dani, jefe de la batería anti-aérea.

Estoy haciendo de abogado del diablo.

Central electrica de Belgrado tras el ataque.
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/imint/images/990529-o-9999m-001.jpg)

Central nuclear de Vinca
(http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/imint/images/990529-o-9999m-005.jpg)

Otra cosa.¿Mucha gente involucrada en pintar el nombre a un avion?.Hay que involucrar a una persona.Bueno,si son yankis,dos.

Pues como ha dicho JPJ es algo de fe...

¿Mucha gente involucrada en pintar el nombre a un avion?.Hay que involucrar a una persona.Bueno,si son yankis,dos.

Casi seguro todo esto les saldría más caro que simplemente reconocer que les hubiesen derribado uno. Son demasiadas suposiciones.

ya había alguien en las fuerzas yugoslavas que tenia una técnica para derribar aviones Stealth

Veo que usted afirma esto categóricamente. ¿Tiene algún basamento objetivo, o es otra cuestión de fe?

Si puede ser detectado.Solo que si sigue su ruta,la señal en el radar aparecerá de otra manera,mas debil.

De hecho, estos aviones requieren de la asistencia de aviones de guerra electrónica que inyectan ruido en los radares y sistemas de detección, para entonces poder colarse en esta especie de niebla radioelectrónica que se forma como consecuencia de las interferencias. De lo contrario pueden ser detectados a cierta distancia.

Precisamente una de las causas por las que dicen los americanos que fue alcanzado el avión F-117, fue porque no venía asistido por ningún avión de guerra electrónica. Estos aviones siguieron volando durante todo el transcurso de la guerra de 1999 y ningún otro fue alcanzado. Y yo pregunto:

¿Por qué, si los serbios tenían una técnica para esto?

Por otra parte, durante Allied Force, la OTAN voló más de 38000 misiones de combate (no recuerdo el número exacto), y tan sólo fueron alcanzados un F-117 y un F-16. Y yo vuelvo a preguntar:

¿Si tenían una técnica para derribar aviones stealth, por qué no derribaron más aviones no-stealth? ¿Es que esa técnica nada más funciona para los aviones stealth?

Pero amor ,yo me ddedico a troas cosas

---> 1)Reliable sources from Aviano, Italy, report that in the present course of the NATO air campaign, a total of 3 F-117A Nighthawk aircraft have been taken out of commission.
Apart from the widely publicized one, a second one had crashed in Croatia, and the third did manage to land in Aviano, but was damaged enough to be officially deemed a total loss.
The source went on to say that 4 pilots stationed in Aviano - three Americans and one Dutchman - never returned to base, and that the second Apache helicopter that crashed two weeks ago did so as a result of Yugoslav anti-aircraft fire, as it was trying to enter Yugoslav air space. Finally, these sources pointed out that American pilots, discontent with the perils of their mission, managed last week to effectuate a 25% pay raise (plus bonuses for hitting certain targets), and that a total of 18 aircraft are out of commission in Aviano as a
result of Yugoslav Air Defense action.

---> 2)BONN, May 18 (AFP) - Germany suspended flights by unmanned planes over Yugoslavia Tuesday, a day after it lost its fourth drone since the start of the NATO air campaign, the defence ministry announced.

A ministry spokesman said flights by German drones will not resume until the reasons for the loss of the latest plane are established.

---> 3) "Nato is suffering significant losses. Reliable alternative sources in Washington have counted up to 38 aircraft crashed or shot down, and an undisclosed number of American and British special forces killed.
This is suppressed, of course." [...] (from London Guardian, 5/18/99, "Acts of Murder", by John Pilger)

---> 4)RTS [Serbian radio and television] showed today the remnants of an American A-10 Thunderbolt aircraft, reportedly shot down by Yugoslav air defenses of the Pristina Corps.
The RTS footage showed parts of an engine, including the fan. Standing before the front side of the engine, reporter M. Drecun pointed out that it took a direct hit.
An identification plate was also shown, displaying the following: model A10a series A 40662; code 77751.

---> 5)Serbian MiG-29 intercepted a F-117A. The pilot of the Stealth plane ejected, and NATO claimed that he was rescued by special American helicopter-deployed units;
Clinton even decorated this team for "courage and heroism". But the US still cannot show the pilot to journalists and Serbian police is apparently still searching for him in the dense forests near the place of crash.

---> 6) NATO UAV losses during Kosovo conflict
Combat Non-Combat
Hunter 5 3
Predator 2 1
Pioneer 2 2? (possibly Combat)
Phoenix 2 0
CL-289 (GE) 5 0
CL-289 (FR) 2 0
Crecerelle 3 0

Total 21 6

Anti aircraft fire above Belgrade during NATO’s bombing of the city, 1999.

In Spring 1999, following a final ultimatum to President Miloshevic, NATO commenced bombing both Serb forces in Kosovo and Serbia itself. Hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians were forced to leave Kosovo to become refugees on the borders of Macedonia and Albania. The NATO attacks resulted in the Yugoslav army withdrawing from Kosovo, but not before many civilians had also been killed. The mass return of Albanian refugees led to reprisals against Serb civilians, forcing many to become refugees themselves. The Kosovo Roma, perceived as having collaborated with Serb forces, also faced reprisals attacks resulting in widespread displacement.

A young boy attends the funeral of his father killed when NATO bombed the TV station in Belgrade killing many civilians, 1999.

Yugoslav army officers discuss the NATO’s bombing while waiting for a Russian delegation at Belgrade Airport, 1999.

Serb tanks patrol the Kosovo border. Despite the end of the war tensions along the border with southern Serbia remain high, 1999.

Serb soldiers patrol along the border with Kosovo near Luchane, 1999.

A member of the Serb Special Forces on patrol near Bujanovac in southern Serbia. The prospects for stability in the region remain uncertain as the long term status of Kosovo remains undetermined.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Bombing_of_Zastava_factory.jpg/800px-Bombing_of_Zastava_factory.jpg)

Vista aérea

(http://www.internationalist.org/yugozastavaap.jpg)

Estos son colaboradores mexicanos que voluntariamente fueron a ayudar con la reconstrucción de la fabrica mientras el país aun era bombardeado. Gracias camaradas, el pueblo serbio les debe una :-*

http://www.internationalist.org/mexyugo0699.html

(http://www.balkanpeace.org/content/photos/beograd/186_Generalstab1.jpg)

(http://www.balkanpeace.org/content/photos/beograd/187_Generalstab2.jpg)

(http://www.balkanpeace.org/content/photos/beograd/185_Generalstab_Explosion.jpg)

(http://www.balkanpeace.org/content/photos/beograd/181_generalstab_beograd.jpg)

(http://www.balkanpeace.org/content/photos/beograd/188_Generalstab3.jpg)

Autentičan snimak obaranja aviona potpukovnika Milenka Pavlovića
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iRvGJS-GQuU

Let u smrt (Prica o srpskim pilotima tokom NATO bombardovanja 1999.) Ceo film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H8AAp2Jr5sY

7.Milenko Pavlovic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kUxt5GLis48

Un sargento ha decidido dedicar los pocos
meses de vida que le quedan a denunciar las condiciones de más de 2000
militares italianos enfermos después de haber estado en Kosovo y otros lugares
y ahora casi abandonados por el Estado.

Después de una dolorosa polémica en torno de
si el Estado debía recortar o no los fondos para el tratamiento de los
militares que, enviados en misiones al exterior, fueron víctimas del uranio
empobrecido, un miembro del Regimiento San Marco de la marina militar italiana,
a quien le quedan pocos meses de vida, denuncia a Italia y a Estados Unidos por
el uso en el armamento de ese material que provocó su enfermedad y la de sus
compañeros.


La polémica se había desatado cuando en la
llamada “spending review”, es decir la revisión de los gastos del Estado
anunciada por el gobierno de Mario Monti, aparecía reducido a la mitad (de 21 a
11 millones de euros para 2012) el dinero destinado al Fondo para las Víctimas
del Uranio Empobrecido. Pero ante las protestas de los familiares y de grupos
ecologistas, el gobierno dejó sin efecto la medida.

La denuncia contra Italia y Estados Unidos del
sargento del Regimiento San Marco, Salvo Cannizzo, fue publicada por el diario
italiano Il Fatto Quotidiano, uno de los pocos en Italia que no cuentan con
alguna financiación oficial y que se destaca por no tener pelos en la lengua.
Cannizzo tiene 36 años y un tumor al cerebro. Asegura que se enfermó en
Djakoviza, durante la guerra de Kosovo y donde Italia envió soldados en misión
de paz, por decisión de Naciones Unidas. Ha decidido dedicar los pocos meses de
vida que le quedan a denunciar las condiciones de más de 2000 militares
enfermos después de haber estado en Kosovo y otros lugares y ahora
prácticamente abandonados por el Estado, que no les reconoce (económicamente)
los riesgos que corrieron.

“Los norteamericanos diseminaron bombas de uranio,
sin estallar, por todo Kosovo. Sabían perfectamente los riesgos que suponía el
uranio, dejándonos a nosotros, los italianos, en las zonas de alto riesgo. He
visto en Djakoviza a soldados estadounidenses que manejaban simples cajones con
municiones con uniformes como de astronautas”, contó Cannizzo a Il Fatto
Quotidiano. Eran nueve militares en el grupo de Cannizzo, cinco de los cuales
se enfermaron de cáncer. “Uno de mis hermanos del batallón murió hace poco y
dentro de tres meses me tocará a mí. Y después a otro, hasta que nos moriremos
todos y el Estado habrá ahorrado millones.” Sobre el sentido de la guerra en
Kosovo agregó: “Una guerra injusta, nacida sólo porque los norteamericanos
debían hacer una guerra”. Contó además que “los italianos estaban solos en
Djakoviza porque los norteamericanos, que la bombardeaban sistemáticamente,
residían en otra ciudad cercana. A menudo las bombas no estallaban porque no
tenían los detonadores. Y esta acción tenía una finalidad: que los
norteamericanos pudieran renovar su armamento. Las bombas tienen, en efecto,
una fecha de vencimiento, después de lo cual hay que eliminarlas con procesos
que cuestan fortunas. Tirándolas, aún sin detonadores, se evitaban ese proceso.
Perjudicaban a todos los que andaban cerca, militares y habitantes, pero servía
para que pudieran comprar nuevo armamento, alimentando así el negocio de las
armas a nivel internacional”, explicó. Dijo estar convencido de que el vértice
militar italiano sabía lo que estaba sucediendo.

Según los expertos, las bombas con uranio
empobrecido pueden ser definidas casi como “pequeñas bombas nucleares”. Usan
material de descarte que cuesta poco y hacen que el proyectil que lo contiene
sea pesado y capaz de perforar de lado a lado un tanque de guerra, disolviendo
con el calor todo lo que se encuentra dentro. Armas con uranio empobrecido
–como el misil crucero Tomahawk de fabricación estadounidense, que puede
contener de 3 a 400 kilos de uranio empobrecido– han sido usadas desde la
Guerra del Golfo de 1991, pasando por las guerras en los países Balcánicos,
Afganistán, Irak y últimamente Libia. Según Massimo Zucchetti, profesor de
Instalaciones Nucleares en el Instituto Politécnico de Turín, en Kosovo se
usaron entre 10 y 15 toneladas de uranio empobrecido. En un artículo titulado
“Libia, el impacto de los misiles crucero de uranio empobrecido”, Zucchetti
explica que el impacto produce un nube de residuos de dimensión variada,
después de una violenta combustión que puede llegar a 5000 grados. Esas
partículas se distribuyen en un área de 500 a 1000 metros del impacto en un
primer momento y luego, por ejemplo, pueden ser arrastradas por el viento o por
el clima árido, como en Libia, y ser respiradas por los civiles durante años,
aumentando notablemente los casos de cáncer. Aunque algunos países desmintieron
oficialmente que los misiles cruceros llevaran uranio empobrecido, Zucchetti
estima que esas desmentidas, provenientes de medios militares, deben ser
tomadas con pinzas, dado que el material encontrado en los lugares de batalla
demuestra lo contrario.

Desde el mes de abril, momento en que sufrió
la última operación, Cannizzo ha rechazado la quimioterapia como una medida de
protesta contra el Ministerio de Defensa y para ver “si tienen el coraje de
dejarnos morir, a mí y a los otros 2000 como yo, sin que se nos reconozca
nuestra trayectoria” (N. de R.: y los consiguientes aumentos de grado y de
sueldo). Como numerosos jóvenes de países pobres del mundo –ocurrió con jóvenes
de América latina durante la guerra de Vietnam–, Cannizzo se enroló en la
Marina porque necesitaba dinero y quería comprarse una casa. Recibía 2000 euros
de sueldo más 72 dólares por día cuando estaba en misión. De 1999 a 2001 estuvo
en Kosovo cuatro veces. Cumplió 17 años de servicio y se retiró en septiembre
de 2011, cuando el tumor, del que creía haberse curado, se manifestó
nuevamente. Aunque recibió medallas y el grado de sargento por su valor, hoy
vive en Catania (Sicilia), con una miserable jubilación de 800 euros con los
que debe pagar el alquiler de la casa donde vive con su segunda mujer, el
dinero que les pasa a sus dos hijas del primer matrimonio y los gastos médicos.

http://www.semanarioserbio.com/?p=5745

No dudo que lo hayan perdido... Pero en este tipo de guerras siempre hay versiones muy distintas, los serbios tienen una, los kosovares otra, la OTAN tiene una diferente... Y entonces es difícil saber con exactitud cuales son ciertas y cuales son falsas... Además de que pueden estar en albanes, croata, serbocroata y varios lenguajes de esa zona que se me hacen difícil de comprender... Ni con el traductor...

Cuando pueda me pongo a investigar... La información va a estar aquí ;)

Acá pueden ver una foto del Spirit of Missisipi del 2003. 4 años despues de su derribo
http://www.zianet.com/tedmorris/dg/bombers3-b2.html

Saludos